Aero Frame Vs Aero Wheels – What’s The Best Upgrade? | GCN Tech Show Ep. 41
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Aero Frame Vs Aero Wheels – What’s The Best Upgrade? | GCN Tech Show Ep. 41

October 16, 2019

– Welcome to the GCN Tech Show. This week, we have a stealth
and super sexy E-bike, the world’s lightest production bike and a bike to take a look at. (energetic electronic music) – Right, E-bikes, yeah
yeah, I know, I know. We’ve got a sister channel
called EMBN that focuses on that. But this new range of bikes
from British brand Ribble, the Endurance SLe range, well, their tires are probably too skinny–
– Just a bit. – [Jon] To be featured over
with those guys, aren’t they? However, they certainly caught our eye, because these bikes look
absolutely fantastic, don’t they? – Yeah, that’s right. Gone are the days of those
big bolt-on batteries and those terrifying wiring harnesses that just look like they’d
electrocute you in the rain. – Yeah, they did.
– The aesthetics are important now, aren’t they? – They certainly are.
– Like the better it looks in this category–
– Yeah, definitely. – The more likely you are to buy it. – Yeah, and I mean, the
first road bikes we’d seen, they had big old batteries,
didn’t they, on the down tube. But this, you look at that
and you can’t see it, can you? – [Chris] No, it just
looks like a normal bike with a big down tube. I think it looks really nice. – [Jon] Now the E-bike Motion X35 setup is what this bike’s got
hidden away inside of it. Catchy name, that, isn’t it?
– Yeah, isn’t it? – So that’s a hub-based power system. So actually, from the side you really can’t actually notice the difference between that and, well, a standard bike. Although behind you are obviously gonna see that oversized hub. This is the same system that Lloydie has also been rumored to
have used in the past. 250 watts, it kicks out too. So on a full charge that’s gonna give you apparently about 60 to 80 miles
of use over a varied route. So that’s quite a good
going amount of time, isn’t it, on the bike? – It’s a lot more than some bikes have been able to do
in the past, isn’t it? – Yeah, I’m pretty much a fan of that one. I’ll have to try and get one. And do you know what, E-bikes, they get a bit of a hard time, don’t they, from some people out there,
because people just think, well, it’s not a real bike
or anything like that. But in my eyes, if more
people are out there riding on bikes, I’m more
than happy with that. What about you? – Yeah, it makes it more
accessible to more people. And I think that’s the beauty of it. People that perhaps wouldn’t have gone out and done a 20, 30 mile bike ride now are. And you can’t hide from the exertion. At some point on an E-bike you’re gonna be trying pretty hard. – Yeah, definitely, oh yeah. Whenever I’ve had a go on one and tried to keep up
with people on the flat when they really lay down the power, you can feel the extra
resistance, actually, can’t you? Anyway, prices-wise, 3000
pounds, 3400 euros, or $4000. Of course, that’s the starting
price, and they work upwards, depending on what groupset you opt for. – [Chris} Also newly-released
is the Look 795 Blade RS. Look famously pioneered
the clipless pedal, way back in the ’80s. – [Jon] Well yeah, ’80s,
about 1984, I think, something like that.
– There you go. – Yeah, and now this new
bike has been designed, basically with aerodynamics in mind. So it’s available in both
rim and disc brake versions, and it’s actually 5% faster
than its predecessor, which in a game of cat and
mouse, really, with aerodynamics, that’s a considerable amount, isn’t it? – Yeah, it’s quite like that. – And it’s been by some clever tweaking around the cables where
they enter the frame, as well as the head tube. And also they’ve done away with
those integrated seat masts, which personally I was never really a big fan of on an E-bike. So they’ve got a standard seat post now. And the clamping mechanism for that is actually tucked away,
going out of the wind, and comes in from the
rear of the seat tube. So kind of like what we
used to see on old Vituses, if anyone out there can
remember those, of course. – Well, the seat post, aside
from the way it clamps, is actually quite clever,
because you can have a seat angle from 71.8
degrees right up to 78.4, which is great, not just for road racing, but also for triathlon. And on the triathlon note, you’ve even got an extra bottle cage
mount on the back of it, which is genius, really. – Yeah, I mean, that’s
versatile, isn’t it, really? If you think about it, you can adjust your position that much. And even on the press
release that we were sent, you can actually see how that
bike can easily be transformed into a triathlon or time trial bike, something which you can’t do
on most modern road bikes, can you, anyway?
– No, true. – ‘Cause it just doesn’t work with the angles and the geometry. So fair play to them for that. Now, comfort on this
bike isn’t compromised, which is good to hear, isn’t it? – Yeah, definitely.
– Because let’s face it, a lot of aero bikes out there aren’t necessarily that comfortable. – A bit stiff sometimes. – Yeah, so the idea behind this is that Look have used
something called 3S technology. And that means that they
want the bike to actually feel the same for both rim brake users, as well as disc brake users. So they’ve got longer and
more curved seat stays than normal, I guess is the
easiest way to explain this. And they’ve actually done away with that brake bridge across the stays, which, well, let’s face it, isn’t needed if you’ve got disc brakes. But for rim brakes, what have they got? – Well, they’ve come up with
something pretty clever. And I’ve never seen this before. It’s like an extension arm
from the back of the seat tube, right down to where the
caliper needs to be mounted. And it looks pretty funky.
– It’s cool. – Yeah, I like it.
– It does look cool, doesn’t it? It reminds me of a time trial bike from back in the early to mid-’90s that like Chel Abez, all
of those guys were using. It’s just great.
Difficult to clean, maybe. – Yeah, it could be a
bit of a pain to clean, but well, they’ve got mechanics, haven’t they, those trial guys? But we haven’t. But anyway, also certainly worth noting is the fact that the
circular steerer of this fork is not circular, because
it is in fact rectangular. So it’s only gonna be
compatible with Look’s own stem. One super benefit I see of this, no possible mischance or misfortune of aligning your stay badly.
– Yeah, I love that. – And I obsess over that. You know when you get a
new bike and you’re like, oh, I don’t know if it’s right. You just constantly, I don’t
know, you probably don’t. Do you, or do you?
– Well, I do, because sometimes the logo’s
right on the front of the bars. It can be quite hard to judge, actually, if your stem is on straight.
– It’s just great. It’s a great idea, that.
– Yeah, cheers. – Yeah, why hasn’t
someone done that before? We’ve done it with seat posts. But now someone’s gonna
write in the comments, it has been done before,
and I’m gonna look– – This is better.
– Yeah, I don’t know. Anyway, more tech later on. Right then, mate, aero
frame or aero wheels? What would you–
– Easy. – He hasn’t even listened
to us, but he knows. What would you choose for your riding? – Aero frame, every day.
– Why? – Well, because I love the
idea of having something that’s fast and saving me energy, but I don’t want to get blown around by big aero deep wheels. – Yeah, I can see your point there. I remember one of the first times I used some pretty deep carbon wheels
and it was in a criterium. Well, it was like a circuit race. It was a really, really windy circuit. We both know it, Thruxton. And the wind was howling. And I came around this right-hander and the wind just caught
me and it just drifted me onto the grass around the other side. So I can relate to that,
but part of me is still, the whole psychological thing. When you got a pair of deeps
in and you’re sprinting along, or in my case, riding along, but you still hear that
noise underneath you. And they feel super stiff, don’t they? Though admittedly I’ve not ridden on an aerodynamic frame much. But surely you miss the aero wheels? – Yeah, okay, so if it
was a really still day and I was riding somewhere flat and I knew that there was gonna be no wind or I wasn’t gonna be on
a social ride, of course. I love deep wheels. But if I was gonna have one bike setup and ride it every day
of the week everywhere, I’d want 35, maybe 40 mil wheels, which is still reasonably aero. They’re just not super, super aero. It’s quite relaxing. You don’t get the gusts
of the front wheel. And it’s just a more
enjoyable ride, in my mind. – Yeah, definitely. In fact, on everyday rides I tend to opt for a really shallow rim. I just prefer that, actually,
because you can’t control what’s going on around you, can you? But let’s face it, when we raced, we didn’t really care, did we?
– No, that’s true. – We just put whatever on, because well, there was a million and
one other things going on, wasn’t there, all the time? – I remember one year I rode 80 mil wheels in every single race. So maybe that’s why I’d also
choose the aero bike nowadays, is ’cause I did that on a non-aero bike. And it was cool, I thought
I was a bit of a hero. – But I guess what we really want to know is what the viewers opt for,
deep rims or an aero frame. You can’t have both, in this case, because your pocket money
doesn’t extend that far. Because Ollie, he’s
been doing some research into the numbers behind this. And I’m super interested to find out, because apparently, we had a little conversation around the desk. Ollie’s probably gonna
kill me when he hears this, but he told me, or he reckons, anyway, that modern day aero frames,
so standard road race bikes, are as aerodynamic as the old Lotus 108 that Boardman used back in Barcelona ’92. – [Chris] That is incredible. – That’s a big statement to make. Again, Ollie’s not here
to actually defend himself and I may have misheard him. But–
– We’re not giving him that. – But either way, I’m super
interested to find out, because next week he’s gonna be here presenting some numbers, as
well as going through the poll. So vote up there, aero
wheels or aero frame, what do you go for? Now, some of you out there, or in fact, most of you, I reckon, will remember a couple of weeks ago we touched on those super
cool colorway disc wheels that the Canyon-SRAM team were using in the Women’s World Time Trial
Championships in Innsbruck. And the good news is you can now get your hands on one of those in the 30th anniversary
colorway if you so wish, because Zipp are releasing
the Super-9 disc wheel in both clincher and tubular versions. – [Chris] Nice, they look pretty cool. Do you reckon they come with those socks that they wore as well? – I hope so, ’cause those socks, that for me was what really did it. If they’d just had the
wheels on their own, I’d think, that’s a bold statement. Like turquoise disc
wheel, yellow disc wheel, things like that, it’s pretty outrageous. But matching it up with the
socks, that looked fantastic. Now sticking with socks,
there has been an amendment to the UCI regulation around sock length, because let’s face it,
in the past it’s been a bit radical, hasn’t it, the extremes that some
people have gone to in races. – Yeah, it has. 1.3033 has been amended, and
it now states quite clearly that socks must not pass the midpoint between the knee bone and the ankle bone. So I imagine you’ll see
over the next 12 months that being clamped down, and we’ll have no more of
those hideous long socks. – No, that’s right. I mean, in the past,
particularly around World Champs is when you really start to notice it, is that sock length becomes
pretty unbelievable, doesn’t it? They creep up and up and up. And yeah, let’s face it, the
kneecaps have been touched, I reckon, in some occasions. So I think it’s a really
good rule, actually, because I don’t know,
there’s something about it. It starts looking a bit
silly, I guess, doesn’t it? – It does, and it even
crept into road racing. Like, if they kept in time trialing, you can kind of understand it. But seeing it all the time in road races, which let’s all be
honest, is a vain sport. – It is, yeah.
– Fashion over function, every day of the week with road racing. – Yeah, it’s good to
have that rule changed. – [Chris] Staying with the World Champs, have you seen Valverde’s
new rainbow bands? – [Jon] Oh, I certainly have, yeah. Look good, don’t they?
– Yeah, they do. Well, Scottish brand
Endura Racing made the kit in less time than it took
Valverde to win the race, with a little help from
Movistar and the UCI. – That surprises me, actually, because I can imagine going
between the UCI and Movistar, three brands working together, trying to collaborate on
what is okay and what’s not, in terms of the rainbow bands, it’s not that straightforward a process. I’ve seen the protocols
of that in the past when I’ve worked for a
clothing manufacturer. And yeah, it’s pretty strict. Now, what’s interesting about this is that it can be done super fast, thanks to dye sublimation printing, which for those of you
who aren’t aware of it, imagine you’ve got a giant
piece of transfer paper and it goes into a giant printer. Out comes the design in reverse, which is then heat transferred on, via a great big press, onto the clothing. That way it can be done
in super fast time. None of this old screenprinting malarkey, anything like that. It looks good, doesn’t it?
– It does look good. I’m just glad to see he’s
gone with black shorts. – Black, I’d love him
to wear white shorts. I’m gonna put my fut down on this. World Champs should be using white shorts. Tom Boonen, he looked
fantastic in white shorts. – Yeah, fair enough. On the topic of clothing,
did you see these shoes, Jon? – [Jon] That’s a terrible pun, mate. – I know that.
– I did. – [Chris] Matteo Trentin has been spotted wearing customized
European Champion shoes, and I think they’re pretty cool. – Yeah, they are, aren’t they? Now, most pros out
there, they don’t really have that much of a free rein to use different equipment, do they? Because the sponsors, they want the riders to use what the fans can
go and buy in the shop, let’s face it.
– Which makes sense. – Yeah, it totally does. If I was a sponsor, I’d want
to sell all of the things which I’d put all my money and time into. But if you’re a champion, well, you got free rein, haven’t you? And they look good, don’t they, I reckon. – They do look cool. – You see a lot of
customized shoes, actually, on places like Instagram, don’t you? People having their own
slogans put on shoes and stuff. – Yeah, shoe art seems to
be a new thing, doesn’t it? – Yeah, maybe we should get into that. Don’t know, I’m not very good at drawing. But maybe I’m all right with
a spray can, I don’t know. – I’ll get you a Biro. – Anyway, what do you at
home think about this? Hot or not, vote up there in the poll. Now, moving completely away from shoes, what about these lightweight
brake calipers from Ciamillo? Now, Ciamillo, these are
the eighth generation of the Zero Gravity brakes. And somewhere back in my workshop I’ve got a pair of I think
the second generation. And these ones look so futuristic
compared to my old ones. And apparently they’re Lekki8, well, lekki is the Polish
word for lightweight, and eight, well, I don’t really need to explain that bit, do I?
– No, probably not. These fancy calipers
weigh an absolutely insane 129 grams for a pair, which, even crazier than
the weight themselves, 200 grams lighter than the
equivalent Dura-Ace ones. – That is mad. How have they done it? – Well, carbon fiber, titanium, aluminum, and a hefty price tag, $540 for a pair. – Yeah, mind you, if you’re
gonna build the lightest bike, that’s probably what you’re
gonna go for, isn’t it? After all, they are the
world’s lightest calipers. And despite their chunky appearance, they look like they’re really gonna stop you well, don’t they? – [Chris] Yeah, I actually really like the appearance of them, like
quite agricultural, almost. – [Jon] Yeah. – [Chris] But still beautiful,
the way the carbon is. – Now we’re gonna stay lightweight. And it’s time for what has been dubbed as the world’s lightest production road bike, the Tifosi Mons. – [Chris] Don’t worry,
we’re not gonna mess around and tease you about the weight of it. – [Jon] Yeah, we are. This lot, they love a tease,
look at them, I can see them. – No, 4.8 kilos, which is even lighter than that Stork that was on the show a couple of weeks ago at 5.3 kilos. – That is unbelievable, isn’t it? Now, how have they done it? Well, they’ve got some super lightweight finishing components, so AX Lightness, they provide
the wheels, the bar, the stem. You’ve got Clavicula cranks,
Campagnolo Super Record. This is a lightweight machine, isn’t it? – Yeah, they’ve gone to town on this. But do you reckon they
could’ve saved more weight with those calipers from before? – Yeah, definitely, yeah. Probably, I don’t know, 10 or
15 grams, something like that. I suppose it depends if they can meet the production schedule of
those Tifosi Mons bikes. Now apparently, she started life as kind of a little
doodle project, I guess, in the engineer’s sketchbook
back at Tifosi HQ. I can imagine this, right. There he is, sat there. He’s scribbling away, thinking, this’ll never see the light of day, and it’s gone and done it, hasn’t it? It’s about 10,000 pounds, 11,300 euros, or what’s that, about $13,000. So they’re not gonna sell many, but I guess to claim
the fact that you’ve got the world’s lightest production road bike, that’s a good claim to have, isn’t it? Now, finally this week, a
bit of Kickstarter action. ‘Cause I love a bit of Kickstarter. And Kupol are reinventing the helmet by making a 3D printed one,
which is a first for me, certainly in the world of helmets. – Yeah, and that’s not the only cool feature about the helmet either, as the outside of it
features a low friction, what they’re calling the
collide safety system, which will help reduce rotational motion in the event of an accident, which should keep your neck safe. – That’s right, yeah. So it’s similar to the MIPS
line of that kind of thing. So I think that is really neat, actually. And it shows the capability
of additive manufacturing. Also interesting, this. Check this out, right. You’ve got loads of individual cushions inside of the helmet. So instead of having your usual layers of padding and that sort of thing, instead you’ve got all these little, well, they look like
weird mushrooms, almost. And they move around, and it allows you to really have a super
custom fit of your helmet. – [Chris] That’s pretty cool. Fits like a glove, I would imagine. – Keep an eye on it, Kickstarter. More tech next week. Right, we’ve got some competition
results to announce now, because there is a lucky
winner of that Wahoo Kickr and Climb unboxing
video from a few weeks back. Tell them who it is. – Yep, congratulations, Tom Lockhart. You are now the proud owner
of a Wahoo Kickr and Climb – Oh, congratulations, Tom. And don’t worry, we’ll
be in contact with you very shortly to arrange
delivery of that one. He’s a lucky lad, isn’t he?
– He is a bit. – Mate, I entered so many times. (drill whirring)
(cash register chiming) Now it’s time for the part of the show where you could be in
with a chance of wining a GCN workshop apron. But how do you do that exactly then? Well, you have to submit your upgrades that you’ve made to either your bike, your turbo trainer setup, your workshop, anything bike-related,
using the uploader tool. And there is a link to that down there in the description below. However, first up we need to actually announce last week’s winner, don’t we? Go on.
– Yeah, we do. Congratulations to Jason and
your lovingly-restored Colnago. You walked away with 81% of the votes. – [Jon] That was a landslide, to be honest with you.
– Yeah, it was a bit. – Yeah, now you need to get
in touch with us on Facebook to, well, arrange the
delivery of that apron. – Yeah, here it is. – Oh, there we are.
– Right in the face. (imitating trumpets blaring) – You can get yourself one of those. But anyway–
– Does he get a clean one? – He certainly does, yeah. Well done, Jason, nice one. Now let’s have a look then, shall we, at this week’s entrants. First up we got Ben from
Peterborough in England. Now, Ben literally found
this bike in a bush. Left for dead, she was badly beaten up, her wheels destroyed,
(soulful piano music) forks bent, and even one
chain stay was fully bananaed. Initially Ben was just going
to salvage usable parts, with most resigned to the scrap bins. It was only when Ben thought about his nonexistent race season this year that he decided to try and give her an inappropriate sendoff
at the local hill climb, organized by Peterborough
Cycling Club and Fenland Clarion. The project developed randomly as Ben researched cheap
ways of saving weight. Using carbon fishing pole from eBay, Ben cut out as much
steel tube as he dared, bonding it with super
strong epoxy-based silicone. The joints were vague at best. Components were drilled,
filed, and trimmed. Ben built the wheels using
parts old, borrowed, and new. She came in at approximately seven kilos, and is truly awful to ride. I was told she snaked her
way up the hill like an eel. Ben had fun though, learned
a lot, and didn’t come last. There’s just so much
romance in that story. I mean, this is what he found.
– Beautiful. – Look at that wheel, no
spokes, rusty old chain. Stripped it.
– Incredible. – I mean, those are scary,
aren’t they, those tubes. He’s made it out of a
bit of old fishing pole. – Yeah, I’d be a little bit
nervous, riding a fishing rod. – Drilled lugs, don’t
try this at home, please. But look at it now. And look, here’s Ben in action. – Good work.
– Look at him go. – I nearly lost it when you said you were from Peterborough and Fenland, because it’s not a particularly
hilly region, is it, Jon? – It’s not, no. I can imagine the hill climb
championships there being over a motorway bridge, yeah.
– Bridge. – But Ben, this week he’s up against Chris from Winnipeg in Canada. Now, Chris bought this bike
through a local classified ad. It was not rideable. Chris’ plan was to use
it as his daily commuter, as his previous bike was stolen, and Chris didn’t want to spend
much on a brand new bike. Now, another reason
Chris picked this bike up was because of the frame. It had an aero look. What Chris didn’t realize is
how much work he needed to do. After stripping the bike right down, the only thing left
was the frame and fork. Chris realized that the
fork had a one inch thread. In order to install a newer stem, Chris needed to install
a threadless adapter, then upgrade the wheels, the tires, the brakes, the groupset. It’s quite a substantial amount there he’s had to upgrade, isn’t
it, from his own pocket. But look at it, look at the change. Yeah, I mean for a start, that stem. That was never a good look,
was it, to start with. We’re gonna be perfectly honest with you, Chris from Winnipeg, but look at it now. – [Chris] Yeah, it actually looks like a really cool bike now. – [Jon] Yeah, nice bit of
artwork in the background too. – Good work.
– Yeah. Basically you spent a load
of cash to upgrade that. But anyway, it’s not
for us to decide, is it? – No, it’s not at all.
– It’s for the viewers. So up there, is it Ben
from pre, Peterborough, Preeterborough, Peterborough, or is it Chris from Winnipeg? One of you is gonna win
that workshop apron. Where is it?
– A clean one as well. – Yeah, a clean one. So you know what to do,
vote up there, top corner. And remember as well to submit your love stories of your upgrades, because we love reading through them. You know, especially when there’s been so much thought and care gone into it. – I just like the music, Jon.
– Yeah, I do too, actually. But yeah, vote up there. Submit using the uploader tool. Next week we’ll have two
more for you to select from. Maybe it will be you. Right, it’s time for the part of the show where you get to vote
for your favorite bike out of two that we put head to head. Anyway, first up though
we’ve gotta announce the winner of last week,
where we put head to head, Alejandro and Anna, two
World Road Race champs. And the winner, this was a close one. 54% of the votes was
Alejandro in that Canyon. – No, didn’t see that coming.
– Yeah, I was surprised at that, to be honest,
’cause it’s a stock bike. Well, I say it’s standard,
it’s not standard. But you know, it’s a
standard team colorway. Whereas Anna, she’s
got some gold detailing and all that fancy jazz. Anyway, we didn’t vote, you lot did. Right, what have we got this week? – This week we have the two
bikes from the top of the show. We have the Ribble e-bike. And that goes up against the Tifosi Mons. – [Jon] Tell you what, that
is a big old clash, isn’t it? – [Chris] Well, they’re
quite different, aren’t they? – [Jon] Yeah, an E-bike and
a super lightweight bike. – Which one are you going for?
– Mind your own business. – Oh, what?
– What about you? – I’m going for the E-bike, I think. – Yeah, well, I’m gonna go for Tifosi. I love lightweight bikes. That’s what I’m gonna go for.
– Keep your balance. – Yeah, anyway, it’s not
about us, it’s about you. You’ve gotta vote up there,
top right-hand corner. Who you gonna go for, the
E-bike or the lightweight bike? You decide. Next week we will reveal the results and have two more head to had. (fists thumping)
(glass breaking) Oh no, where is it? Where is it, we haven’t got the bell. Oh, it’s on my side. It looks like I’m gonna be ringing the bell!
(bell ringing) Right then, who have
we got this week, mate? – First up is Pokey from San Diego. He has a 20th anniversary Torelli. Campi C-Record cranks,
Campagnolo Record shifters, derailleurs, brakes. Cinelli 1R stem, Regina CX3 wheel, Mavic SUP sew-ups. – What a beauty.
– Look at the color of it. – [Jon] Yeah, red, white
and green tricolor. That’s a killer of a bike, isn’t it? – It is.
– Look at the backdrop. – [Chris] I know. We want your garage, Pokey. We don’t know who you are
or where you are exactly, but we want that garage. – Yeah, invite us over, in fact. Right, what are we gonna give it? Nice or super nice? – I think that deserves a
super nice, to be honest. – Yeah, super nice. – Get on the bell.
– It pains me. (bell ringing) Right, nice one, Pokey. Right, who’s up next, mate? – Next up is Yurun from Belgium. Yurun has a Niner RLT9 steel frame with a threaded bottom bracket, carbon fiber fork, Ambrosio Nemesis rims. – [Jon] That… – [Chris] He’s got
Challenge tires on there. One-by setup, Di2 shifting
with a clutched derailleur, and a custom chain guard
which is pretty cool. Looks like a ground-down
outer ring, doesn’t it? – [Jon] Totally, yeah, I think Sven Nys used to do that on his bikes. Look at those Ambrosio rims. They’re lovely, aren’t they, with their little brass valve weight. – [Chris] They’re pretty much
the coolest rim of all time. – [Jon] Yeah, I would say so. Big fan of rims. Right, it’s also got what looks like one of those shock stop stems or something similar, doesn’t it, as well. Looks like a, you know–
– Yeah, know you say it. – [Jon] A suspension stem, just giving him a little bit of comfort
there at the front end. – Don’t put a dampener on it, Jon. – (sighs) I mean, it’s a
lovely bike, that, isn’t it? – [Chris] I imagine those tubs
ride absolutely beautifully off her head as well. – [Jon] Yeah, they’re big, aren’t they? – I bet they’re really supple.
– Handmade. – [Chris] Well, I think just for the fact there’s a lot of thought gone into this, I’m gonna give it a super nice. – Yeah, and the fact that he’s
gone and basically destroyed a perfectly good chain ring
and taken the teeth off. Yurun, you’re getting a ring
of the good old-fashioned bell. (bell ringing) Nice one, Yurun. Right, who’s next, mate? – We have Bryan from St.
Albans in Vermont, USA. Canyon Aeroad CF SLX. Reynolds 60 mil deep section wheels. Ultegra groupset, (stammers) groupset. Ultegra hydraulic brakes,
color-matched bar tape, but with just a bit of red
by the hoods poking through. – [Jon] Yeah, there is, isn’t there? Right, that is a small cassette
on that bike, isn’t it? First up, look at it.
– Yeah, it is. – [Jon] That must be,
what 11-23, do you reckon? – [Chris] I don’t know, maybe it’s, I think this is actually–
– Well, maybe a 25. – [Chris] Yeah, it could be a 25. – [Jon] But let us know. – [Chris] Is that the
cherry pepper red Canyon? – [Jon] I think it is the
cherry pepper red Canyon. – [Chris] I’ve got one of those. – [Jon] Of course he has. Right, first up, is that old reclaimed velodrome boards that the bike is– – [Chris] That would deserve a super nice. – [Jon] Yeah, I think it possibly is. Probably not, but you know,
building it up a bit here. That’s a nice-looking bike, isn’t it? – [Chris] I like that, yeah. – [Jon] Yeah, is it super nice, mate? – Well, I’ve kind of got one myself, so I feel like it ought to be. I noticed you’ve not gone
for the aero cockpit. – They’ve not, have they, no. – Let us know why.
– Yeah, let us know. But I still think that that is absolutely beautiful, isn’t it? – Come on, look, even the
valve caps are the right color. – I don’t know how–
– Do you know what– – They found valve caps–
– Do you know what– – In that color.
– Super nice, super nice. – Go on.
– Yeah, super nice. (bell ringing) – Go on then.
– Right, who’s next then? – Next up we have
another sneaky submission and I don’t know how this has happened. Well, it’s not our control, is it? Pokey from San Diego has– – We always blame someone else. Pokey again?
– Yep, he’s in it again. Fondista, looks to have
a mixture of Campo, Tram, DT Swiss wheels, TRP calipers,
brutal-looking saddle, and some very cool-looking artwork. – [Jon] Tell you what, that
is an interesting-looking top tube, isn’t it? I like that, look at– – [Chris] Well, you
know, I love the frame. I’m not a big fan of the
wheels that don’t match. – [Jon] I’m a big fan of the cassette. Look at it, you can hardly see that. – [Chris] Now that’s a small cassette. – [Jon] That’s 11-21. There is no way you are
getting up any climbs on that, ’cause that’s 53, so in fact–
– They used to be, anyway. – [Jon] Could it be
42-52, those chain rings? – [Chris] TIME pedals,
that’s a throwback, isn’t it? – [Jon] Are they TIME? Yeah, they are, yeah. – [Chris] I’m not giving
that a super nice, Jon. Because well, as cool as it is,
it’s your second submission. You’ve already had it once.
– A sneaky one, that one. – [Jon] Pokey from San Diego. – [Chris] And the rear
wheel doesn’t match. – That is true, but we do risk not being invited to his
garage, Pokey’s garage. – It’s a risk I’m willing to take. I’m putting my foot down. – Yeah and it has to be
unanimous as well, the vote. So yeah, sorry about that one, Pokey. Nice bike.
– Nice bike. – Right.
– Next up. – Final one, isn’t it, this one. Who have we got?
– Lachland, Wellington Point in Queensland, Australia, that looks to have Brisbane
Harbour in the backdrop. – Cannondale SuperSix.
– Nice place. – [Chris] EVO Ultegra groupset. Yet to chop the steerer though, come on. – [Jon] Yeah, that’s
always a risk, isn’t it? People send in their bikes without chopping down the steerer. They jump the gun, in my opinion. – [Chris] Maybe it’s brand new. – Maybe it’s your first ride–
– Yeah, maybe. – [Chris] And you’re really proud of it. You’ve taken a picture. – [Jon] Still trying to
find that ideal position. – You know, my absolute
favorite thing about Cannondales is that their top tubes barely slope. They still have that really
nice, traditional shape. – [Jon] Traditional bikes, I absolutely love a traditional bike. That saddle is dangerously
far back, isn’t it? – [Chris] Yeah, it’s definitely
a big bike, isn’t it? It’s definitely a tall bike.
– Yeah, what’s that, 56-58? – [Chris] It’s gotta be, surely,
judging by the head tube. – [Jon] Yeah, that’s always
what I look at when I go to look at a bike’s size, always
look at the head tube. Weird, that, isn’t it? I’m not sure if it’s super nice though. – [Chris] I feel the same. Oh, I feel bad now.
– I always feel really guilty. – [Chris] It’s still really nice. – I don’t know if–
– I’d love to have that bike. – [Chris] I’d be really happy with it. – [Jon] I wonder if the
guys in the dirt shift feel as guilty as we do? – They don’t, they have no notion. – Do they not?
– No, their mountain biking’s giving it to them.
– In that case then, that is a nice bike. – It’s the saddlebag that turned it off. – Yeah, I’ve tried to do
that with loads of authority, but I still feel really bad. Anyway, you know what to do. Submit your bike using the uploader tool down there in the description. And maybe, just maybe, your
bike will make it through. Literally, we’ve had thousands
and thousands come through. So unfortunately we can’t put them all in. Otherwise we’d be here all day. Right, there we are, nearly
time for the end of the show. And I absolutely hate this bit, ’cause we’re sad, isn’t
it, let’s face it– – It’s been a lovely afternoon. – ‘Cause we’ve gotta say goodbye. Yeah, we’ve had fun, haven’t we? It’s not often we get to spend actually a lot of time together. – I thought you were
gonna say it’s not often we have fun together. (laughs) – No, that would be a lie. We do have a lot of laughs. Now what have we got
coming up this week then? Well, we sent James Lowsley Williams to ride a fixed gear
crit in Milan, didn’t we? – And he did a good job too. – Yeah, we’re not gonna
reveal that quite yet though. But we’ve got loads of tech from Milan and what he got up to there too. So stay tuned for that. So remember to subscribe to the channel. And also click that little
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  1. As a Fenland Clarion member I did our hill climb event & saw Ben on his bike
    We did two hills Collyweston & Ketton hills Their not Yorkshire steep/long but both are quite tough hills (well for us Fen boys anyway LOL )

  2. E-bikes should be banned, not promoted, especially ones that do not look clearly distinguishable, due to motorised doping in gran fondos and amateur races! not to mention Strava KOMs. Thy have nothing to do with bikes and should be classed as scooters/mopeds!

  3. That unnerving feeling when a steady wind catches your deep rear wheel in a corner and it feels like it’s sliding outward even though it never loses traction.

  4. The Canyon Aeroad, which got super-niced, has mountain bike pedals!!! How nice is that? Plus – large (700 ml) water bottles …

  5. Most serious brain injuries occur from the brain being shunted around inside the skull vault. MIPS, like many other so called technical improvements are essentially pseudo science. Rotational forces do little to increase/decrease the effect of rapid deceleration, the primary cause of brain injury. The proof is in the increased price of these helmets over their standard equivalents based on the supposed R and D involved. The bike industry, more than just about any other, sucks the financial life out of its patrons. Sickening really

  6. You've made a whole channel for Edopers now could you please leave the damn Enews on its respective channel? GCN and GCN Tech are no place for bikes for people too lazy to turns their own cranks! And please don't embarrass yourself with the disabled rider argument for using Ebikes, one look at who's riding them (Ebike hill challenges and KOM's by perfectly healthy people) blows that theory out of the water. I'm a 62 yro cyclist who's had 4 knee, 3 spine 2 shoulder surgeries not to mention major osteoarthritis and I ride with people who can't use their legs as well as folks much older than me who don't use motor bikes (piss on the PC Ebike label)! That's all I have to say about that! 🙂
    Love GCN and Tech as well as the great race coverage but find it pathetic that you have to pander to corporate interests contrary to cycling ethics!

  7. Yes, Fenland is boring flat – but head towards Rutland and you get some seriously sharp short hills, and lovely scenery, that saw tooth up and down. Nice one Ben. I came last in that PCC hill climb, – so you did not have to…

  8. Every time you see a rider in the peloton adjusting his stem after a pileup, would now be waiting for a new bike with that Look. The energy that caused the stem to turn as what will cause this steerer tube to crack on this square design. The energy from the impact has to go somewhere.

  9. You all are ridiculous. Hooray for sock length regulations? Come on. Let riders wear whatever socks they want, then you don't have to worry about "sock doping." I mean, you can wear leg warmers or tights in a race, but not long socks? What?

  10. It's a shame that Look have moved away from the Zed crankset with the trilobe for changing the crank length. Perhaps they could include the SRM cranks on their bikes which use the same system.

  11. How do I buy a pint for whomever is editing these GCN tech videos? So much crazy crap to make a one camera, two man taking head setup a lot of fun!

  12. Aero wheels all day everyday. An aero frames tend to use proprietary components, which limits its appeal in my opinion.

  13. World Champ should always and only wear BLACK SHORTS, unless of course you are a TT World Champ and white bottoms to the skin suit are acceptable.

  14. These videos have become toooooooooooo scripted.. Gone are the days of the banter… Now its about filling our ears with scripted ZIPP adverts and what not… UNSUBSCRIBING soon…. As this is not what I signed up for.

  15. Would never vote for an eBike. How idiotic is an eBike that doesn‘t look like an eBike. Just buy a regular one! The mankind stupefaction is going through the sealing.

  16. Whilst drooling over all the "super nice" bikes, the last one in the vault made me want to pull out my own, give it some love (check/clean) and appreciate it. After all, your best bike (good or bad) is the one you're riding.

  17. I have the Scott Solace 2015 endurance bike with Dura Ace C40 in front and C60 in the rear and a double compact drive train. Pretty okay all-rounder but now i am interested in something faster like a Madone, Systemsix or Foil since i like the aero looks. But i can´t afford going both aero frame and wheels. So i started looking at Addict and Emonda instead with rim brakes so i could still use my DA wheels and have decent bike for going fast even when it is a little bit more uphill. I will for sure follow this topic as you dive into it to and perhaps it will make my decision easier since i sadly don´t have the opportunity to test all the bikes i want 🙂

  18. Standards are slipping. Time was when just looking nice wasn’t enough to get the Super Nice bell. Cranks had to be horizontal, bottle cages empty of at least with colour-matched bottles, chain on the big ring and bars level. Come on fellas!

  19. what about the dassi forthe lightest bike , made of graphine.
    and the brake caliper from eurobike for the the lightest brakes
    also why is there a hole in the zipp disc wheels

  20. I run Chinese carbon 40s on my look 556. Would go to more aero wheels in a heartbeat, but a more aero frame, I feal that it would hurt comfort(granted my stem is so slammed I get back pain after a hour)and practicality with integrated cockpits and such.

  21. This pair work well together. Get em framed up more often. Good banter that isn’t forced. They both look relaxed and clearly both know their stuff. Chemistry in place. Sorted!

  22. #askgcntech Hi Jon, I just got myself a Cervelo s2. it is 10 speed Shimano 105 and even thought I cleaned the drivetrain pretty well, there is still a small sort of crinkling noise. Also, when I change gear it is not buttery smooth like it was on my prior 2017 Shimano sora 9 speed. Any tips or help? Thanks – Isaac

    Love the Show and love GCN!!

  23. Regarding sock length: can a rider get an exception if they are susceptible to DVT’s (blood clots) such as myself?

  24. Aero wheels of course ! Better to have aero wheels on an old bike than aero frame with old wheels and also the first is more aero than the second.

  25. Could you do a review of top end aluminium bikes vs mid range carbon, I suspect the caad12/allezsprint might fair well versus an equivalently priced carbon build. Would be interested in your views.

  26. E bikes are not cheating, so well said.. not everyone is in perfect health or condition and if they’re out on an Ebike, they’re not sat in front of the TV.. and you get a good work out too if you turn down the power..

  27. People need to stop quoting range of ebikes, as it's so dependent on how much the guy turning the cranks puts into it. That endurance SLe has a 250Wh battery, which is pretty tiny. Most of the E-MTBs over on EMBN have 2-3x that capacity.
    For someone who's not capable of maintaining 15mph on their own, it's still useful, but the range will likely be very much less. For a rider who's already pretty fast, they might gain a boost on the hills and get that quoted range, but at that point, is it really worth bothering?

    I have an ebike, and I use it mostly for riding in terrible weather (Dress warm, and not get sweaty under the rain gear), or when I'm carrying ridiculous cargo. If I'm going for a long ride, I don't bother with the ebike, because I know I'm going to burn through the battery in an hour, and then be lugging the extra weight for the whole trip. Better off just riding a normal road bike.

    I'm not saying it's a bad bike, or that there's not a point to them, but those numbers are not meaningful to the people who would actually care about them.

  28. Lightest production road bike? What about the Merida Scultura Superlite Ltd? It claims to weight 4.65kg on their website!

  29. #askgcntech I'm about to make the big move to eTap. Hooray, no more gear cables! But … what do you do about those holes in the frame, the passages for internal routing of gear cables. Are there plugs of some sort? Thank you for reading this, hope you can provide an answer! Cheers!

  30. as for that rectangular look steerer tube (st).. now when you take a spill, your handlebars will often cause your stem and front wheel to become miss aligned under the stress (normal circular st); would you crack your carbon st easier with this look one now due to its inability to allow your stem to swivel on the st?

  31. Check out this kickstarter:

  32. Besides the fact wheels are more of an aero gain, you cant ride an aero bike with box section alloy wheels it looks so weird

  33. people watching this probably have no interest in an e bike. surely they are just for commuters. Why would I want an ebike?! To go faster? Why not just buy a motorbike and go REALLY fast? They WILL become part of group rides, unless those riding them get so yelled at they decide not to join the group ride on the ebike. But I'm really talking when you can't tell when looking at a good race bike if it is an ebike or not, sort of like the ones the top levels pro's use.

  34. #askgcntech i can't find the answer to this, how do heart rate monitors calculate heart rate? Reason i want to know is me and friends get rogue max heart rates which are unexplained and aren't shown in my heart rate graph

  35. I love the looks and the feel of an aero bike and aero wheels. At 125 lbs I get knocked around in the wind with my Roval CLX 64's but I can fly on my Venge. Sometimes the wheels act like a sail but 98% of the time they are planted to the ground and stable as fast as I can make them go within reason.

  36. Why can't forks come with a groove in them and a ball bearing in the stem then we will always get a stem/bar that is always straight.

  37. E-bikes have a place. However, what is mildly terrifying is people zipping down bike paths at 25-30 mph who haven't "earned" that speed. They do not understand how to handle/brake/corner safely at these speeds, making things dangerous for everyone near them.

  38. Aero wheels all the time. They go with a standard non aero frame, but if you already have an aero frame they look sh1t with non aero wheels. See the logic there!! (tbh aero frames look sh1t anyway!!)
    Incidentally I still have a set of original Look pedals!!!

  39. LOVE my old school mavic 30s color changing paint ( not so much now ) L,X silent hub and straight pull front & straight pull 3 gross rear true for 48,000 miles Fuck yaaa !!! xoxo

  40. A cursory look at a few experiments online suggest that an aero frame offers slightly less of an advantage than wheels but at 3-4x the cost. Plus, a standard frame with aero wheels looks 100x better than an aero frame with standard rims.

  41. Why do aero wheels have to be deep. What about 38-40mm deep aero wheels? Have aero gain and can be used on windy days and you don't have the discomfort of using a very stiff full aero frame.

  42. If someone wishes to ride a two-wheeled vehicle with a motor why not simply buy a motorcycle? The cost is nearly the same.

  43. Just bought a new bike after riding my Ribble for 17 years. Loving the Giant Propel Advanced 1. What an upgrade! I can honestly feel the difference between the Ribble and this Aero bike! Fantastic!

  44. When I first saw those brake calipers, all I thought was how hard they would be to clean! I guess that if you're shaving the grams, maintenance is not an issue.

  45. Please don't give a "super nice" to bikes with sloppy presentation. The vintage bike at 22:04 is indeed beautiful, yet the valve stems are everywhere but at 6 o' clock, the right crank faces upwards instead of forward and being in line with the chain stay, the chain is on the small ring, and there's a bottle in the cage. It's like taking a picture of a super model with smeared make-up.

  46. If I had the money I’d buy an aero frame. Then I could have the option later of switching wheels depending on weather or mood!

  47. Concerning sock length. It may or may not be true for the pro circuit that these guys are actually wearing compression socks, but on the very long rides, I'll ride with compression socks that cover the entire calf. This may stylistically be frowned upon, but there is real science that supports wearing compression while training and after. For them to be effective, they need to cover the whole muscle. They work great in supporting all the muscles and tends and knee-down sees a lot of motion cycles and really physiologically smaller muscle groups being asked a only makes sense.

    I just don't understand the rule if they're allowed to ride with the 1pc aero suits where the legs cover the entire body neck to toe but restrict the length of socks.

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