Arrogant student’s provocative challenge to sadhguru
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Arrogant student’s provocative challenge to sadhguru

October 11, 2019


Participant (Joe): Hello, Jaggi Vasudev, Sir. My… Before I ask my question, I just have to tell
you that I was very impressed by your e-commerce website which sells yoga merchandise. I think it’s… it’s really cool. It’s better than Flipkart and Amazon and I
hope that you know in a few years’ time it will become the biggest e-commerce company
and it could be… (Overlapping conversation). Sadhguru: No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. I’ve… we’ve… It’s a conscious decision I’ve taken that
our commerce part is done just to take care of a few things. Our commerce will never grow beyond the foundation
part. I clearly made the distinction there is Isha
Foundation and there is Isha Business and we’ve contained the business. In spite of enormous demand, we have contained
the business because… (Overlapping conversation) Participant (Joe): Yeah, yeah. So it’s very impressive, Sir. Sadhguru: No, you should not be impressed
by that. You must come and see what I do otherwise
– the real thing! Participant (Joe): Sir, my question… I… I want to tell you that I was also very impressed
by your commitment to rule of law that was evident from the discussions that we have
had. In the same light, I just want to ask you
that in one of the blogs that you have written in your website, you speak about woman’s
entry to Shani Temples and there you say that, “Look, the reason why they shouldn’t be
allowed is because there are planetary forces and it’s not good for women to enter these
temples.” In the same vein, I just want to tell you
a little about the law on the point. There are Supreme Court judgments which say
that if you want… if you make laws, which tend to be discriminatory for women, it cannot
be a justification that we are doing it for their benefit. That cannot be the justification for any law
that discriminate against women. This is the law of the land (Sadhguru Laughs)(Laughter/Applause). Sadhguru: I’m… I’m (Overlapping conversation) ____(Unclear)… Participant (Joe): So, in that same vein,
would you say that if that is the law of the land, then you are committed to the ideals
of law then, one, how do you justify that and two, one more question, Sir… Sadhguru: Yes. Let me ____(Unclear)… Participant (Joe): Just a follow up question,
the second part of the question is – in the same article you also mention that we
can control the impact of planetary forces on our life through Inner Engineering. What is Inner Engineering? Is it a program that Isha Foundation hands
out? Sadhguru: What is that? What is Inner Eng…? Participant (Joe): What exactly is Inner Engineering? Is it something that you guys do and like
only… what… only if you guys can tell us what is Inner Engineering only then will
we be able to, you know, face the forces of… planetary forces? What exactly is this concept of Inner Engineering? Sadhguru: No, no. Oh! Okay. Okay, okay, okay, we’ll answer that (Laughs). So right now, why don’t you ask this institution
Nalsar, only if you tell us what is law, we will know what’s the law (Applause/Cheering). What is it? Participant (Joe): I’m sorry, sir, if you
can clarify that… I didn’t get what you just said. Sadhguru: No, no, you tell your institution
in which you are, only if you trap us here for five years and tell us what is the law,
will we understand what is the law? Don’t we know? Well, because… only because you do not know,
you have come here, right, to learn? Similarly, only because people could not figure
it by themselves… figure it out by themselves, they have come. And only because it’s working for them,
they are coming in millions, okay? You have seven hundred people here, we have
nine million volunteers working across the world (Applause). So it must be working for them. So, do not make these judgments and don’t
think it’s very smart to simply make judgments (Sounds like – for/on?) everything. You are a lawyer, you are not a judge, all
right (Applause)? So, let’s come to the question. Let’s come to the question. See, please… please don’t do these things;
it is happening from both segments of people. What you like, boooh, you shout and clap. Please don’t do that. For or against – that’s not the way. The way to do this is, are we interested in
knowing and enhancing… You ask a question as a way to enhance your
knowing, not just to prove that you are smart. If you think you can prove you are smart,
we will do certain… something else to that. Anyway, you asked this question, “I like
the e-commerce!” I know when you started off, I know when Joe
is called, why he is called, we know what it is, I am not that dumb, okay? When I sit here, when I just look at you,
I know what you can ask. I will tell you. Let me tell you this? Hello? We… When I trained teachers to handle Inner Engineering
programs, now we have transformed the program in a different way, but at one time when it
was very intense, I trained the teachers like this: somebody walks into the hall, they settle
down here today by themselves without being guided. “You just see…” I made a chart of the hall and (Sounds like
–say/said?), “See, if they sit here, if they sit here, if they sit here, this is the
question they will ask! You just be ready. When he raises his question, you know this
is what he will ask!” Ninety-three to ninety-four percent of the
time, it’s always ri… like that. People think they are free and they are asking
questions but if they sit in that place, that’s a question they will ask. In any… In any venue, not in any particular venue,
just anywhere, this may… this may not look logical to you, but life happens like that,
anyway. So, now you are… when you start praising
the e-commerce, I know why it is, it’s not that you are appreciating it. I’m telling you, Isha Foundation is a foundation
run by the volunteers. Over 4,600 fulltime volunteers who are far
more educated than you are and over nine million part-time volunteers across the world giving
their time and money and energy to make this happen. Why are people doing this? We are not promising them, “We’ll take
you to heaven.” We are not telling you, “You will go and
sit in God’s lap.” Why are they doing it? It must have done wonders to them, otherwise
why will they invest their life in it? So, without knowing anything, don’t make
conclusions. So, are you the only one? Well, you can do it in so many other ways
if you knew how to figure it out, why would I be needed? You do not know how to figure it out so somebody
comes and helps. If somebody comes and helps, “Why are you
helping people (Laughs)?” “You leave them with their problems, they’ll
be good business for a lawyer,” is that what you are talking to me? (Laughs) Please, don’t… don’t feed upon people’s problems. People have problems. If you have solution, it’s good. If you don’t have a solution, at least leave
them alone. Now, about commerce, we have every day… every day in the Yoga Center, the minimum
meal is around 7,000 people per meal. On the weekends, it’s 15-20,000. Whoever comes, nobody enquires, “Who are
you? Why are you eating here?” Whoever comes, they are welcome and they are
fed, all right? And we are running twelve schools in rural,
in remotest parts of India which is the same level of education that one would get in a
good urban school and forty percent of the children are first generation going to school. Over 9,000 children are sponsored fully for
their educa… for their entire education. And we have medical activity going on across
Tamil Nadu in a big way. There are many other aspects, which I don’t
want to go on listing. For all this to happen, it needs a certain
financial thing. Now, if I come to you with a begging bowl,
you will say, “Why have you come to me with a begging bowl?” If I earn my own money, you are saying, “Why
are you earning your own money?” What is the problem here? What is the problem? Only thing is I have not come to you as a
client. Is that the only problem you have? I want you to know the people who are working
in the Foundation, most of them – some of them are here, they are doctors, engineers,
accountants – they have quit top, high-paying jobs in their life and they are serving for
free, all right? Thousands of them. And you have something against them! Please (Laughs)! It’s not about me because I don’t do all
that work. People are doing all that work, including
the website and the commerce. Moderator: So, just for the diversity of opinion,
so that… I mean as a moderator I have to ask you… (Background participants requesting answer
on women’s rights). Sadhguru: Oh, women’s rights. Yes. About Shani Shingnapur, see, first of all
you have a misunderstanding that Indian temple is a place of prayer. Indian temple is not a place of prayer, I
want you to know this. Different temples were built in different
ways for specific purposes. Shani Temple is built for occult purposes. Occult means… You know what’s occult? What is the Telugu word for occult? (Responses unclear). What is that? What people call as black magic or whatever,
you know? There are certain occult practices, where
if the occult practices are being done, women in state of pregnancy, in menstrual cycles,
it could seriously impact their life, so they said women should not go. It was also designed that on a certain day,
if the woman in a certain condition, on a full moon day she can go, other days… these
are prescriptions, these are not restrictions. These are prescriptions; these are not discriminations. These are done with a specific intent or now
that you are talking about women’s rights, why don’t you fight for the men’s rights? In our temple, the Bhairavi Temple that we
have, men are not allowed inside the sanctum. Why don’t you stand up (Laughs) and fight
for that? I will tell you why they are not allowed. That temple is only for the women. Men are not allowed. Why? Is it a discrimination? It is not about discrimination; it is a certain
dimension of life. If you go by this crude sense of equality,
you will harm the women immensely. There are millions of temples open to everybody. Suddenly, why discrimination will come in
one temple? What are you talking about? This is not a culture which discriminated
against women. There are more female deities in this country
than male deities. Every village you go, there is an Amman Temple,
there is a Devi temple and you think it’s discrimination? These are very rudimentary ideas picked up
from the West. You have not seen this culture. You have not understood the profoundness with
which it’s run. Unfortunately, because of fifteen, twenty
generations of poverty, we’ve kind of mixed it up and made a mess out of it – that is
a different matter. Participant (Joe): Sir, this crude sense of
knowledge that you say is the knowledge that’s coming from the Supreme Court of the country. Sadhguru: Arey! No, no, please understand. No, no, no, please listen to me (Overlapping
conversation) Participant (Joe): You are… Sir, you are still not addressing the point
that who are you and I sitting here to make prescriptions for women and say that this
is harmful for you (Sadhguru laughs) hence don’t do it or this is not harmful and you
shouldn’t do it. Sadhguru: All right! Participant (Joe): It is not up for you and
I to do it. If… If it’s harmful and they still want to do
it, they are free to do it, right. You say that what people want to do in their
bedroom, it’s an individual choice. If women want to enter it, they want to enter
it, who are us to stop? Sadhguru: See, you don’t have… you ask
a question, please… You please ask a question, I’m not that
dumb that a question needs to be explained to me. You ask a question. Participant (Joe): You didn’t answer it
the first time hence… Sadhguru: You asked a question again, let
me answer this, right? The question is – who are you to tell the
ladies whether they should go to this or not? Participant (Joe): No, I’m saying they should
have the option. I’m saying they should have the option… Sadhguru: All right! Moderator: Just to give a similar example,
Sir, alcohol is… Sadhguru: I got it! There are hundreds of temples in the country
where men cannot enter. So, if men say… Participant (Joe): There is a history. There is a history of discrimination that… Sadhguru: That is a different matter. See, you are mixing up two things. There is unfortunate history of discrimination
on all levels, that’s a different matter, that has to be settled in a different way. But when a specific aspect comes, if you want
to rule out all the subtler aspects of life and just say this is it… Anyway, let me tell you this. This, I am on camera, let me tell you this,
okay. Supreme Court is there to interpret the constitution. It cannot create a new constitution. It doesn’t matter what are the powers of
the court, it cannot create a new constitution. It is only there to interpret the law the
way it is. Is… Am I right? You are all lawyers. Hello? Participant (Joe): That’s debatable. That’s debatable. Sadhguru: When you debate that, there is going
to be lots of problems because every pressure point, you know, people will apply, every
motivated group will push for their own laws. If you create enough ruckus, some law, new
law will happen. This should not happen. It is essentially within the framework of
the constitution everything should happen. In the framework of the constitution, there
are laws where there are public places and there are private temples and private places
of worship – how it should be done there, is left to them. It is for them to decide how it happens. Is it happening simply because of a discrimination
against a gender? If it is so, it must be struck down absolutely. But if there are other aspects to it, if you
think you cannot consider anything else, then it’s ridiculous. It becomes ridiculous. It’s like saying, “Don’t I have the
right to enter the Ladies Toilet?” What nonsense is this? Do you need a law? You just need sense that you don’t go there
(Applause). Moderator: Joe, is your question answered? Like or should I… Participant (Joe): No. It’s not answered, but that’s okay. Sadhguru: (Laughs) It’s not answered? Shall we answer Mr. Joe? I’m okay. Participant (Joe): There’s a difference
between a man not allowed to enter a women’s temp… a women’s toilet and you using the
same analogy… Sadhguru: See, I am not saying he is not allowed. A man who is a man will not enter. That’s all I said (Cheering). Participant (Joe): Sir, that’s a really
stupid analogy that you are saying. So we are here discussing the question of
women’s entry to temples and your concept is they are not allowed… Sadhguru: Yes, Sir. Please, Sir. The problem, Sir… you… Mr. Joe, you do not know the culture of this
nation, you’re talking simply activism without knowing the culture of this nation. (Overlapping conversation) Participant (Joe): Because I’m Catholic,
right? Sadhguru: Because in this country, in this
culture, the idea of discrimination never arose. I want you to understand even before other
countries ever thought of even giving franchise to the woman, this country did not even debate
whether woman should have voting rights or not. It’s simply there because in our culture,
we never thought so (Applause). So, the discrimination… Exploitation is there, I want you to understand
there is exploitation, there is no necessary discrimination. Exploitation is not just of the woman, anybody
who is weaker than you, people are exploiting, whether it is a man, woman or child. Why do you think everybody is beating the
children? Just simply because they are small. Not because they have a right to do it. So, anything which is weaker than them, they
are exploiting, not just women. Unfortunately, women have also been… taken
a much amount of beating in terms of exploitation but do not misunderstand exploitation and
discrimination in a fundamental way. Discrimination is a different aspect. Exploitation is a different aspect.

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  1. He(Sadhguru) is a man of knowledge, no one can explain better than him. That statement " I am a Catholic" is so disgraceful, I am a catholic too we are taught not to disrespect others belief. One has no rights to speak about other beliefs.

  2. Women: you are not allowed inside the toilet.
    Joe: bcz I'm a Catholic right?
    Women: have some common sense dumb…

  3. How this stupid Joe will define social engineering? May be he didn't study jurisprudence well. NALSAR kindly educate your kids.
    Joe, if you can't understand mystic and occult, then how could you understand Hinduism?

  4. First of all I think Joe is his pseudonym not real name and secondly it was reported that he was an abused child and is suffering some psychiatric disorder. Poor Joe, I don't think he'll pass his law exam. Very2 poor upbringing, parents doing a poor job .

  5. Dear joe, I am not a catholic, but I don't need to be one to respect and learn from the wonderful qualities of Jesus. And you are a catholic, yet evidently you haven't learnt much from the qualities of Jesus.

  6. Joe why don't you go to your Christian country and question yo pastors? Yo know nothing about Hinduism, culture etc and yo standing n thinking yo genius oh yo dumb nut go get some life

  7. That bloody rascal pig joe dont know his four fathers are hindus such a rude rascal how worst he brought up…just that rascal behaved and questioned sadhguru like christian terrorist..very much poor fellow in knowledge

  8. i noticed quite a lot of people are upset about other people converting for money or a bag of rice. why do you think this is wrong, are you jealous? I think such people are quite smart, they can make a living out of it, by converting every month for money to a different religion. they are freethinkers using every chance to improove their situation, there is nothing wrong with converting in order to gain profits out of the situationt. but unfortunately there are lots of dumb backwarded crowds who feel threatend by the action of such individuals. why is this? why are you so intolerant ?

  9. I think this guru is full of shit like the rest of the gurus. Just because millions of people are doing drugs doesn't mean that doing drugs is right. What kind of lawyer is this who can't answer that? This guru did not answer the actual question.

  10. Mr. Joe, will u give birth to a child if ur wife says no? Why should she carry a pregnancy? Isn't it a discrimination?

  11. Joe why sexual abuses against nuns at churches by fathers, do you have guts to confront them, do you have guts why women cant become priests? If you have guts asks them, Clean your religion before you start cleaning others.

  12. In every conflict there is usually a point that is in it that will unravel the whole thing and show the truth of its driving motive. In this case that point is that he is Catholic. He has a strong bias and it is based on his religion. This is ancient and simple.

  13. Joe is such a dumb person.. I don't understand why he is asking such kind of questions.. first who are you to ask this question? Why are you so frustrated?

  14. There are way too many educated idiots living on this earth, honestly how does joe get through the day without seriously hurting himself? 0 common sense.

  15. Tht is not a big issue its has been made to supress the tripal talak and idiot people like joe who thought tht both are equal , seriously …
    Now i got my answer why most of people joined isis from Kerala which state have maximum % in literacy

  16. Mr. joe is just a stupid, dumb, arrogant and communist…I want to slap him right on his face for talking so mannerlessly to my Sadhguru. 😡😡😡

  17. Who is this young guy arguing with sadguru without knowing anything, just stop his stylish English and slap him

  18. Mr. Joe is like that baby who is not sleeping but pretend to be sleeping and can not be awaken because if you are sleeping in real you can be awaken but if you are doing acting of sleeping you can not be awaken by any means. This debate is beyond his physical mind.

  19. I can’t express what I think about Joe in words because of the community guidelines. So I’ll just leave this here 🍆

  20. That's why I chose my State university instead going to so called popular ones because of Joe. Joes are not good for your health, luck, intelligence and to make difference between real and fantasy.

  21. It's very interesting to see that none of the ladies their asked a question on shani temple. But Joe had a problem with as he is a lady and wants to get into a temple that to being a catholic. Joe has hormonal problems I guess.

  22. It's alright to challenge. NEVER cool to exhibit social and cultural disrespect in private nor an open forum. Joe's opening statements/inquiries were deceptive, sarcastic, and condescending in nature. Grabba pad Joe, your erudite misology is leaking all over the venue!! Who am I to write a prescription for you? Your ELDER, THAT'S who. Imagine that…a religious attorney, the perfected caricature of what those two paradigms produce! Capitis Diminutio Maximus

  23. The joe is as dumb as shit. FOOLS always think they are too smart. He became frustrated and drowned in his own stupidity. I love the calmness of the speaker

  24. Joe: I have decided to enter your home, it's my personal choice, if I want to enter it, I am free to do it, I should have the option, who are you to decide whether I can enter or not.
    Joe: I have decided to enter the White House of the President of US, it's my personal choice, if I want to enter it, I am free to do it, I should have the option, who are you to decide whether I can enter or not.
    Joe: I have decided to enter the Prime Minister of India's office, it's my personal choice, if I want to enter it, I am free to do it, I should have the option, who are you to decide whether I can enter or not.
    Joe: I have decided to enter the Madras Central Prison, it's my personal choice, if I want to enter it, I am free to do it, I should have the option, who are you to decide whether I can enter or not.
    Joe: I have decided to enter the President Putin's car, it's my personal choice, if I want to enter it, I am free to do it, I should have the option, who are you to decide whether I can enter or not.
    Joe: I have decided to enter a bank vault, it's my personal choice, if I want to enter it, I am free to do it, I should have the option, who are you to decide whether I can enter or not.
    Joe: I have decided to enter China military army camp, it's my personal choice, if I want to enter it, I am free to do it, I should have the option, who are you to decide whether I can enter or not.
    Joe: I have decided to enter Nuclear power plant, it's my personal choice, if I want to enter it, I am free to do it, I should have the option, who are you to decide whether I can enter or not.

  25. OMG this reveals the future of Indian law and court… God should save good sense lawyers… Really worried if they will be able to learn India as a country or just as a law book. The country's constitution is built with a great consciousness and care, how can these dumbs can take care of humans who trust law?

  26. Joe is a nicely brainwashed jealous catholic boy.. the depth of Sadguru’s knowledge is so high in comparison to the clergymen of church, he tried to undermine Sadguru out of his inferiority complex…. .

  27. Idk I mean yes the kid is ignorant, but I think guru actually was too angry. I feel that he should have listened to the kid more just so he could teach the lesson in which he was searching for. But otherwise I like.

  28. I'm a foreigner. I do not understand the matter. Women are not allowed to enter some temples, right? Men are allowed. How do you distinguish between men and women? Is it clothing? Beard growth? The older people get, the more men become women and women men. Yes, some women even grow a beard. In sport, there are currently major problems with transidentity and intersexuality: Caster Semenya, for example. And what about homosexual men? Are they allowed in the temple? How can all this be tested in practice? How does the temple guard distinguish between the sexes? And a spiritual person who unites the feminine and the masculine in himself: Is he allowed to enter?

  29. Men and women are equal so all should be equal same pay same everything . Women have places of worshipping and so do males .when they realise religion has become a means of controlling humanity into categories of individual worship. Humanity is united.and live on earth 🌍 together and should learn to worship together eat together as it takes both male and female to create life so why the separation

  30. Sadhguru is spot on about the west and it is pretty messed up .
    The reason why imo is powerful families that think their blood is better than everyone else's and give themselves fancy solid gold crowns and fancy titles lust after power and money . They have manipulated, cheated murdered millions of people over the last few centuries to the point that many but not all are like the walking dead almost zombie like as they have been lied to their whole lives by the state and no real spirit left

  31. Joe it's a simple common sense and you are trying to show your smart as*** brain. Stop studying law, n if you want to enter to the place which is not allowed, i think better you become a cleaner.

  32. I think a loud voice with a different opinion is always necessary to keep our leaders, life guides kept on their toes. I applaud every Mr. Joe for pushing to make all guides and leaders think…..and to be accountable for their teachings, prospectives. It's important that we have the Mr. Joes of the world.

  33. USING TECHNOLOGY AGAINST ME, ISNT ALLOWED. IM NEVER INFILTRATED. JEALOUSY IS OLE MARS ATTITUDES, AVATARS, FEARS, FADING.
    PERPETUAL HOLD MYTH.

  34. *Latest joe update from his college*

    Chutiya joe failed his 5th sem and need to appear for 3 failed papers.He blames Sadhguru to disturb his mental balance.

  35. 🐗Joe is unjust offspring of Swines who sold their self esteem, Ancestral Heritage and Culture for Few Coins।
    🔥 Eliminate PISSLAMICs and Missionary।

  36. Mr Joe totally irritating guy asking nonsense question… Its just bcz he s Catholic and he s trying to insult a Hindu guru that's it.. Bt he failed

  37. The food part is total rubbish, I have volunteered and stayed there. The place where they provide food is not accessible to public it is only accessible to volunteers. So claiming 10-15k people are fed on weekends is total bogus. Maybe they are fed in the cafeteria which is pay and eat and that also not 10-15k.

  38. Joe is perfect example, speaking English, being highly educated and acting senseful doesn't mean you speak sense and are sensible…

  39. Joe is a complete hypocrite but at d same time if it were someone other than Sadhguru , he would have been baffled by his(Joe's) arguments..Such personalities (Joe ), who are born to oppose everything no matter what it is , are very dangerous for peace and order of a society or country .

  40. The questioning man
    Is a classic case of self proclaimed leftist intellectual, who stinks with ego and arrogance and who takes pride in belittling every other person

  41. Why is it that people who claim to be secular, are the first to play the religion card? Is it because they have no logical argument to offer? I never cared much about this Sadhguru until Joe came along and the contrasting behaviors of the two led me to flip a switch and realize that Sadhguru is truly something else- a living legend. So thank you, Joe, you have helped convert me and perhaps thousands like me to Sadhguru’s cause. If it weren’t for the, we would have never realized what a great mystic walks among us!

    Thank you so much and keep up the good work. 🙏

  42. Who in need of counsel would pick Joe for a lawyer?

    Joe: “Objection your honor!”
    Judge: “Sustained.”
    Joe: “Because I am Catholic..”

    😄

  43. "Because I am Catholic, right?" – was that a factual statement according to Joe or was he playing the victim card, since the questions did not rattle Sadhguru instead he answered it brilliantly. There must be a second of thought in his mind like 'oh shit I am such an amateur compared to Sadhguru, I may end up looking like a fool, let me at least irritate him to so that he will go off his calm posture and in the process make a mistake" ,sadly that was not successful either. Don't even get me started on the sarcasm in the beginning of the question, hoping to create a new admiration among his fellow students, unfortunately this went down with a sputter even so after Sadhguru's response and seeing through his sarcasm. Let me also say, Joe had a serious personality issue which he lay bare for the world to watch. Joe, not sure if this was what you intended, but you are famous no doubt, but not an enviable one in my opinion. Joe should have thought twice in the validity of bringing religion into the conversation or at least back his statement with an explanation otherwise he appears foolish interjecting a religion bias on Sadhguru.

  44. But just for now, thanks joe for entertaining.

    Joe would have been the best brained lawyer.
    Unfortunately he got picked most negative angle of seeing anything, if he does he stays law student in mind level for whole life, keeping lawyer certificate is fake thing.

    If he grasp the positive he will be a lawyer useful for the society.
    He to do smell better angle of understanding.

  45. This Joe guy is the classic examples of how the converted are so pathetic and blunt in their thinking with being educated. Pervart joe!!

  46. This joe is trying to prove himself over smart in front of the audience. Nothing else.Not at all interested in sadhguru's logics😎

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