David STARKEY on BREXIT – SOVEREIGNTY: Parliament vs People I So What You’re Saying Is
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David STARKEY on BREXIT – SOVEREIGNTY: Parliament vs People I So What You’re Saying Is

October 18, 2019


The break with the Roman Church is absolutely
analogous to our separating ourselves from the E.U. It’s even fought over the same territory.
It’s fought over jurisdiction. Why does Henry have to break with Rome to get his divorce?
Because England is subordinate to a European court. And what is the other ground of the
conflict?The amount of money you pay. Quite extraordinary. And it goes into absolute detail.
The way Henry does it is by the doctrine of Parliamentary Sovereignty. In other words,
the idea which is being pursued hotly by the Legion of Remainers headed by Centurion Bercow
is that Parliamentary Sovereignty can be used to deny national sovereignty. It’s an absurd
contradiction. Parliamentary Sovereignty only makes sense within the notion of the sovereign,
independent state. Otherwise it’s meaningless verbiage. And again of course, the doctrine
of Parliamentary Sovereignty long predates democracy, and the great crisis in Britain
is that we’ve never worked out what the relationship between an idea of popular sovereignty and
parliamentary sovereignty is. Which was of course exposed with brutal effectiveness by
the Brexit Referendum.

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  2. – Theresa May's autobiography.
    Chapter title: '2019':

    Opening quotation: 'If the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, "This was their finest hour."

    – Bentham:

    'the greatest happiness of the greatest number requires that every possessor of supreme Operative power in whatsoever shape without exception be compleatly responsible in a legal sense to the people in their quality of possessors of the supreme Constitutive power.' (Bentham, First Principles Preparatory to Constitutional Code, 53)

    – Austin:

    'If we take the principle of utility as our index to the Divine commands, we must infer that obedience to established government is enjoined generally by the deity. For, without obedience to ‘the powers which be’, there were little security and little enjoyment. The ground, however, is the utility of government: And if the protection which it yields be too costly, or if it vex us with needless restraints and load us with needless exactions, the principle which points at submission as our general duty may counsel and justify resistance. Disobedience to an established government, let it be never so bad, is an evil: For the mischiefs inflicted by a bad government are less than the mischiefs of anarchy. So momentous, however, is the difference between a bad and a good government, that, if it would lead to a good one, resistance to a bad one would be useful. The anarchy attending the transition were an extensive, but a passing evil: The good which would follow the transition were extensive and lasting. The peculiar good would outweigh the generic evil: The good which would crown the change in the insulated and eccentric case, would more than compensate the evil which is inseparable from rebellion.'

    (Austin, Lectures on Jurisprudence, 121)

    – 'In England revolutions ‘proceed silently and in a leisurely way’. Léonce de Lavergne, The Rural Economy of England, 1854. Quoted approvingly by Harriet Grote in Harriet Grote, Collected Papers, 1842-1862 (London: John Murray, 1862), 31.

  3. Analogous yes, but King Henry VIII did it for himself, Brexit is a democratic exercise initiated by millions.

  4. Thanks, Mr. Starkey. Any minute now somebody's going to describe you as an uneducated knuckle-dragging ignoramus. I hope expressing your views won't destroy your career. I'm certain there are folk from the BBC and The Guardian who are, right now, trying to edit your words and take them out of context so as to describe you as a waycist.

  5. Mr. Starkey's TV series described how the story of King Edward III and the red-hot poker are PROBABLY untrue. Otherwise this might set a precedent about how to deal with rotten rulers.

  6. The English Reformation was the opposite of Brexit. The English reformation was about the state (Henry) taking absolute power over the people, just like our current Parliament. Brexit is about the people taking their power back from the State, back from Henry.

  7. Now that we know that Guy Verhofstadt (one of the lead EU negotiators on Brexit) has declared that he not only wants an EU army, but he also also wants to absorb the whole of Africa into the EU economic area, I think we can begin to glimpse the level of megalomania present in the collective mind of the unelected EU leadership.

  8. All those who fall at the feet of the EUSSR should be force fed this until they understand they are just drones to Brussels big experimental idea of one state one Parliament one currency. Understand they want you to have no identity or sovereignty.

  9. The principle of the unlimited sovereignty of Parliament is a distinctively English principle which has no counterpart in Scottish Constitutional Law.

    Under Scots Law, the people of Scotland are sovereign as per the Declaration of Arbroath, Claim of Right 1689 and Claim of Right 1989. In July 2018, The UK Parliament accepted Scotland's Claim of Right and conceeded that the people of Scotland are indeed sovereign.

    Scotland and England have very different constitutional histories yet it is the English constitutional traditions which are always conflated as being 'British'.

  10. Yet again Starkey chooses to ignore parliamentary sovereignty and the duty of MPs as defined by Burke,why? Not because he is unaware of it but it is inconvenient to his prejudices. His analogy with Rome is interesting and typically spiritedly imaginative by failing to grasp the profound differences ( we are part our f the legal processes of the E U not a subservient merry taker of others laws) but accurate in that the self serving hypocrisy of Henry the 8th is reflected in that of Fromage, Lice and many others

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