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Gowdy: It is harder to indict a high-profile defendant like McCabe

September 22, 2019


NOW BACK TO “HANNITY.”>>Sean: RIGHT NOW, FOR MORE REACTION ON TONIGHT’S BIG BREAKING NEWS THAT THE INSPECTOR GENERAL HOROWITZ HAS SUBMITTED HIS FISA REPORT FOR CLASSIFICATION REVIEW TO THE DOJ, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR FORMER CONGRESSMAN TREY GOWDY. YOU FIRST SAID — AND I’LL GET TO THIS IN A SECOND, THAT THE IDEA THAT NOW McCABE, THEY PASSED ON ANY SPECIAL TREATMENT, BUT IT WAS A WHILE AGO THAT REPORT IDENTIFIED THE INSPECTOR GENERAL REPORT IDENTIFIED HIM AS A LIAR AND A LEAKER. AND YOU SAID IT’S A CELEBRATION OF OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM. NOW, WE HAVE THE SECOND MINOR REPORT. THAT WAS COMEY LACKING CANDOR. BUT THAT DIDN’T RESULT IN — WELL, IT DID RESULT IN A REFERRAL, BUT IT DID SEEM LIKE THEY’RE MOVING FORWARD. WHY IS THIS TAKING SO LONG. WE’LL GET TO FISA NEXT. BECAUSE I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT THE OUTCOME WILL BE.>>UH YOU KNOW, SEAN, THERE WAS A TRIAL IN DC, WHAT, LAST WEEK? AND FORMER WHITE HOUSE COUNCIL GREG CRAIG WAS FOUND NOT GUILTY IN WHAT WAS A REALLY QUICK JURY VERDICT. THESE ARE TOUGH CASES. IT IS HARDER THAN IT MIGHT APPEAR TO CONVINCE 12 PEOPLE OF ANYTHING. I USED TO HAVE TO DO IT FOR A LIVING. IT’S TOUGH. YOU HAVE TO DOT EVERY I AND CROSS EVERY T, IT’S MORE DIFFICULT IF IT’S A HIGH-PROFILE DEFENDANT. SO IF THEY GO FORWARD WITH McCABE, YOU CAN REST-ASSURED, THAT’S GOING TO BE A TOUGH TRIAL. WE DON’T WANT THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT GOING TRIAL AND LOSING. THEY LOST TO GREG CRAIG. IF YOU’RE GOING TO GO TO TRIAL, YOU NEED TO WIN.>>Sean: YOU NEVER LOST A CASE AS A PROSECUTOR. THAT’S WHY YOU’RE SO GOOD AT WHAT YOU DO. HERE’S MY QUESTION. WE NOW KNOW — I CAN GIVE YOU — AS IT RELATES TO FISA AND THE INSPECTOR GENERAL REPORT, I KNOW OF THREE SEPARATE TIME, INCLUDING, BY THE WAY, THE UK MEMO WARNING ABOUT STEELE’S CREDIBILITY. WE KNOW THREE SEPARATE INSTANCES BEFORE THE FISA WAS SIGNED, THE BULK OF INFORMATION WE NOW KNOW IS THE UNVERIFIED DIRTY RUSSIAN DOSSIER, LIKELY RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION ACCORDING TO THE NEW YORK TIMES FROM THE GET-GO, BUT THEY WERE WARNED ABOUT STEELE’S CREDIBILITY BEFORE THEY SIGNED THE FIRST FISA. THEY WERE WARNED BY BRUCE SWORD. THE UK WAS WARNING ABOUT HIS CREDIBILITY. THAT STEELE HAD AN AGENDA, IT WASN’T VERIFIED. AND HILLARY PAID FOR IT. THEY USED IT ANYWAY. NOW WE KNOW IT’S UNVERIFIABLE, BECAUSE STEELE NEVER STOOD BY HIS OWN DOSSIER AND UNDER OATH SAID I HAVE NO IDEA IF ANY OF IT IS TRUE. TO ME, THAT SEEMS LIKE PREMEDITATED FRAUD ON FISA COURT. WHEN YOU COUPLE THAT WITH ANDREW McCABE, THE DEPUTY FBI DIRECTOR SAYING NO FISA WARRANT, THAT MAKES ME THINK THEY DIDN’T CARE ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE PRESENTING TO THE COURT. AND THAT WAS A FRAUD AND THEY KNEW IT WAS A FRAUD, BUT THEY SAID IT WAS VERIFIED AND IT WASN’T.>>LET’S ASSUME FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT THAT EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS TRUE. LET’S ASSUME THAT. YOU STILL HAVE TO FIND A FEDERAL STATUTE IF YOUR OBJECTIVE IS INDICTMENT. I’M VERY CLEAR EVERY TIME YOU’RE GOOD ENOUGH TO HAVE ME ON, WE CANNOT HAVE A SOCIETY WHERE INDICTMENT IS THE ONLY THING THAT CARRIES WITH IT ANY STIGMA. MOST OF THE NAMES INVOLVED IN THE 2016 HAVE BEEN FIRED OR PUBLICLY CALLED TO TASK. KEEP IN MIND, JIM COMEY TWICE NOW, THE INSPECTOR GENERAL SAID YOU DID NOT MEET OUR EXPECTATIONS. YOU FAILED TO FOLLOW POLICY. YOU VIOLATED YOUR EMPLOYEE AGREEMENT. ALL OF THAT HAS TO BE SIGNIFICANT. LOOK, I USED TO MAKE REPRESENTATIONS IN FRONT OF THE COURT. I TRIED TO BE HONEST AND FAIR ABOUT IT. BUT LET’S ASSUME I DIDN’T TELL THE COURT SOMETHING. THE REMEDY FOR ME IS NOT INDICTMENT, THE REMEDY IS I MAY LOSE MY LAW LICENSE. THE REMEDY IS THE COURT MAY HOLD ME IN CONTEMPT.>>HERE’S THE THING. IF I AM WARNED SOMETHING THAT I’M ABOUT TO PRESENT IN COURT IS FALSE AND AT THE TOP OF AN APPLICATION OF MAKING IT TO THE COURT, IT SAYS VERIFIED. I TEST IT. I SIGN IT, SAY IT’S VERIFIED AND I’M WARNED THAT IT ISN’T. WHEN THE FBI GOT INTO THEIR SPREAD SHEET, THEY DISCOVERED 95% OF THE DIRTY DOSSIER WAS UP TRUE. THAT’S LATER, THOUGH. IF I KNOW –>>IF IT’S ON A SPREAD SHEET.>>IF I KNOW IT’S NOT VERIFIED AND I PRESENT IT AS VERIFIED AND IT’S UNVERIFIABLE, THAT WOULD SEEM LIKE SEAN HANNITY WENT TO THE COURT AND COMMITTED A FRAUD IN THE COURT CONSCIOUSLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF ACHIEVING A POLITICAL AGENDA. WHY DO I THINK TREY GAODY, AS GREAT AN ATTORNEY AS YOU ARE, NEVER LOST A CASE AS A PROSECUTOR, THAT I WOULD GO TO JAIL?>>IF YOU’RE A LAWYER, YOU CAN LOSE YOUR LAW LICENSE. THE COURT CAN HOLD YOU IN CONTEMPT.>>Sean: IF YOU LIE BEFORE A JUDGE? WE’RE TALKING ABOUT LYING BEFORE A JUDGE.>>YOU’LL BE HELD IN CONTEMPT OF COURT. ABSOLUTELY. YOU CAN GO TO JAIL FOR THAT. I DON’T KNOW THAT LAWYERS WHO MAKE FACTUAL MISREPRESENTATIONS IN FRONT OF JUDGES WIND UP GETTING INDICTED. YOU’RE GOING TO GET PUNISHED. YOU’RE GOING BE HELD IN CONTEMPT. YOU MAY BE GET SENT TO PRISON. LOOK — I’M NOT MINIMIZING ANYTHING OF WHAT THEY’VE DONE. WE’VE GOT TO ASK THE RIGHT PUNISHMENT TO THE RIGHT OFFENSE.>>Sean: BUT YOU’RE DENYING BY SIGNING THAT AN AMERICAN CITIZEN THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. YOU’RE LITERALLY USING THAT LIE TO SPY ON A PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN AND TRANSITION.>>WE IDENTIFIED THE STATUTE, USING THE COLOR OF A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL, IT COULD BE A 1983 ACTION. THAT’S ALL I’M SAYING. WE HAVE TO MATCH UP THE CONDUCT WITH A SPECIFIC CODE VIOLATION.>>REGULARLY –>>WITH AN VIOLATION. NOW WE’RE GETTING SOMEWHERE.>>I’LL SEND YOU GREG JARRETT’S LIST. HE’S IDENTIFIED A WHOLE VARIETY OF CRIMES PERPETRATING A FRAUD ON THE COURT.>>DON’T SEND IT TO ME, SEND IT TO BILL BARR. NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW.>>DO YOU HAVE HIS E-MAIL. I DON’T KNOW BILL BARR.

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