Why Neil Gorsuch Could Be Supreme Court Swing Vote In LGBT Job Rights Case | Andrea Mitchell | MSNBC
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Why Neil Gorsuch Could Be Supreme Court Swing Vote In LGBT Job Rights Case | Andrea Mitchell | MSNBC

October 12, 2019


>>>WELCOME BACK.>>>WELCOME BACK. THE SUPREME COURT THIS MORNING THE SUPREME COURT THIS MORNING HEARD ARGUMENTS ON WHAT COULD BE HEARD ARGUMENTS ON WHAT COULD BE THE MOST PIVOTAL ISSUES OF THIS THE MOST PIVOTAL ISSUES OF THIS NEW TERM. NEW TERM. LGBTQ WORKPLACE RIGHTS. LGBTQ WORKPLACE RIGHTS. NEARLY FOUR YEARS AFTER THE HIGH NEARLY FOUR YEARS AFTER THE HIGH COURT RULE THAT HAD SAME SEX COURT RULE THAT HAD SAME SEX COUPLES HAD THE RIGHT TO GET COUPLES HAD THE RIGHT TO GET MARRIED AND DECADES AFTER THE MARRIED AND DECADES AFTER THE 1964 CIVIL RIGHTS ACT, THIS 1964 CIVIL RIGHTS ACT, THIS WOULD BE TITLE 7-ON-VII, THEY AR WOULD BE TITLE 7-ON-VII, THEY AR PREPARING TO DECIDE WHETHER IT PREPARING TO DECIDE WHETHER IT IS LEGAL TO FIRE SOMEONE ON IS LEGAL TO FIRE SOMEONE ON THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION. THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION. PETE WILLIAMS IS JOINING US. PETE WILLIAMS IS JOINING US. THIS DOES GO BACK TO 1964 AND THIS DOES GO BACK TO 1964 AND WHETHER GAY RIGHTS SHOULD BE WHETHER GAY RIGHTS SHOULD BE COVERED. COVERED.>>Reporter: TITLE VII MADE IT>>Reporter: TITLE VII MADE IT ILLEGAL TO DISCRIMINATE ON RACE, ILLEGAL TO DISCRIMINATE ON RACE, NATIONAL ORIGIN, RELIGION AND NATIONAL ORIGIN, RELIGION AND SEX. SEX. AND THE HEE QUESTION NOW IS DOES AND THE HEE QUESTION NOW IS DOES THAT ALSO INCLUDE TRANSGENDER THAT ALSO INCLUDE TRANSGENDER STATUS. STATUS. AND ARGUING FOR A MAN WHO WAS AND ARGUING FOR A MAN WHO WAS FIRED IN GEORGIA AFTER HE JOINED FIRED IN GEORGIA AFTER HE JOINED A GUY SOFTBALL TEAM SAYS YES, A GUY SOFTBALL TEAM SAYS YES, THIS IS SEX DISCRIMINATION THIS IS SEX DISCRIMINATION BECAUSE HE WAS FIRED AS BEING A BECAUSE HE WAS FIRED AS BEING A MANDATE DATING OTHER MEN WHEREAS MANDATE DATING OTHER MEN WHEREAS WOMAN DATING OTHER MEN WOULD NOT WOMAN DATING OTHER MEN WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN FIRED. HAVE BEEN FIRED. SO THAT IS THE BASIS OF THE SO THAT IS THE BASIS OF THE ARGUMENT SAYING YES TITLE VII ARGUMENT SAYING YES TITLE VII DOES COVER SEXUAL ORIENTATION. DOES COVER SEXUAL ORIENTATION. THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SAYS NO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SAYS NO IT DIDN’T,OESN’T, THAT WHEN CONG IT DIDN’T,OESN’T, THAT WHEN CONG PASSED THE ACT 55 YEARS AGO, PASSED THE ACT 55 YEARS AGO, SEXUAL ORIENTATION WAS NOT ON SEXUAL ORIENTATION WAS NOT ON ANYONE’S MIND AND A MAJORITY OF ANYONE’S MIND AND A MAJORITY OF THE COURT SEEMED TO AGREE WITH THE COURT SEEMED TO AGREE WITH THAT, BUT RUTH BADER GINSBURG THAT, BUT RUTH BADER GINSBURG SAID ALSO THAT NOBODY WAS SAID ALSO THAT NOBODY WAS THINKING THAT IT COVERED SEXUAL THINKING THAT IT COVERED SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND ULTIMATELY THE HARASSMENT AND ULTIMATELY THE COURT SAID IT DID. COURT SAID IT DID. SO THE BEST HOPE FOR THE PEOPLE SO THE BEST HOPE FOR THE PEOPLE TO GET THE SUPREME COURT TO RULE TO GET THE SUPREME COURT TO RULE THIS WAY, AND THAT IS THAT THIS WAY, AND THAT IS THAT READING OF THE LAW, A READING OF READING OF THE LAW, A READING OF TITLE 7-ON-STRICT READING, JUST TITLE 7-ON-STRICT READING, JUST READING THE WORDS WOULD INCLUDE READING THE WORDS WOULD INCLUDE SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND IT MAY SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND IT MAY SURPRISE YOU TO KNOW THAT THE SURPRISE YOU TO KNOW THAT THE BEST HOPE FOR THAT SIDE OF THE BEST HOPE FOR THAT SIDE OF THE CASE MAY BE NEIL GORSUCH BECAUSE CASE MAY BE NEIL GORSUCH BECAUSE THE COURT SEEMED PRETTY EVENLY THE COURT SEEMED PRETTY EVENLY DECIDED BETWEEN LIBERALS AND DECIDED BETWEEN LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES BUT JUSTICE CONSERVATIVES BUT JUSTICE GORSUCH SEEMED TO BE OPEN TO THE GORSUCH SEEMED TO BE OPEN TO THE IDEA THATTEXTUAL READING OF THE IDEA THATTEXTUAL READING OF THE LAW COULD EXTEND TO SEXUAL LAW COULD EXTEND TO SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND TRANSGENDER ORIENTATION AND TRANSGENDER STATUS. STATUS. THREE CASES HERE TODAY FOR TWO THREE CASES HERE TODAY FOR TWO HOURS EVER ARGUMENT ON THE HOURS EVER ARGUMENT ON THE SECOND DAY OF THE SUPREME SECOND DAY OF THE SUPREME COURT’S TERM. COURT’S TERM.>>AND PETE, SO INTERESTING.>>AND PETE, SO INTERESTING. YOU BRING UP JUSTICE GORSUCH YOU BRING UP JUSTICE GORSUCH BECAUSE OF COURSE HE IS ON THE BECAUSE OF COURSE HE IS ON THE MORE CONSERVATIVE WING OF THE MORE CONSERVATIVE WING OF THE COURT NOW. COURT NOW. A LOT CAN TRANSPIRE ALONG THE A LOT CAN TRANSPIRE ALONG THE WAY. WAY. BUT FROM THE COMPANIES YOU COULD BUT FROM THE COMPANIES YOU COULD INFER SOME OPEN MINDNESS THERE. INFER SOME OPEN MINDNESS THERE.>>Reporter: A PREVIOUS RULING>>Reporter: A PREVIOUS RULING SAYS A MAN CAN SUE FOR SEXUAL SAYS A MAN CAN SUE FOR SEXUAL HARASSMENT EVEN THOSE HE WAS HARASSMENT EVEN THOSE HE WAS HARASSED BY OTHER MEN ON AN HARASSED BY OTHER MEN ON AN ALL-MEN OIL RIG. ALL-MEN OIL RIG. AND THE JUSTICE WHO WROTE THAT AND THE JUSTICE WHO WROTE THAT CASE SAID THAT MAY NOT BE WHAT CASE SAID THAT MAY NOT BE WHAT CONGRESS HAD IN MIND, BUT HE IS CONGRESS HAD IN MIND, BUT HE IS TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN A WOMAN

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  1. It's so sad this even has to be a thing, but hey, progress always wins in the end. The old ways will no longer hold those that should already have all the same rights as my wife and I back. I was once against you, but as I left my ignorant ways behind me by opening up to alternative views than what I hold I had no choice but to stand with you and not against you henceforth.

  2. 'Now' is when 'Justice' Gorsuch will determine how history records him.
    Does America 'progress' and protect our rights…or does it 'fall backwards' and devolve into xenophobia and isolationism?
    Choose carefully, sir… 🤨

  3. Bizarre. Here’s hoping America can join the rest of the modern world, and just treat LGBT+ people with the same rights and equality as everyone else – no more, no less. Otherwise, what kind of unequal, discriminatory society do they want?

  4. It's crazy that the religion that supposed to love thy neighbor etc is actually the most judgemental and hate-filled. I guess Jesus should have said it more clearly. Love Thy Neighbor, stop judging others for the way they loved or for the way they celebrate God and mind your own freaking business. These Christians have left Jesus behind for sure.

  5. This shouldn't even be a discussion you shouldn't be able to fire someone because of what someone's sexual preference is why should that even matter

  6. This a case of law needing to be updated. When the wad past this was not part of social norms. Because people who were trans gender or homosexual didn't really put there personal life choice heavily out there as much as today. But now it's being put out there heavily it needs to be re evaulated to suite the current timeframe. Things change and the laws must follow suite to support the change.

  7. This all comes down to whether or not the US Supreme Court will decide, as German courts did in the 1930's, that a specific segment of the population is not entitled to full citizenship, and therefore, are not fully human, under the law. Because that, in fact, is what they are deciding. If SCOTUS wants to establish a US version of the Nuremberg Laws, that's on them. And we all know how that turned out for Germany.

  8. The real question is: Why are some employers concerning themselves with their employees’ sexual preferences? This entire discussion makes zero sense to me.

  9. Sorry, sexual orientation is a self governing body , you need a synonymous anonymous for your character defect, you cannot infiltrate a people with you doctrine without personal inventory outside OASAS. All of you are busted !!!!!!!!!!

  10. I understand the complexities of the issues, but I must say it is so wonderful to have my future in the hands of my government who really could give not one single care about more than half of the population of this country. When our government can't get it's own internal issues solved as it should, and these things are even a question as to what is and what isn't? What should be and what shouldn't be? Is there anyone that is sane in our government? They are paid public servants…all of them. It's constant delay, delay, delay while the people of this nation just continue to suffer through the incompetence and lack of concern for the people of this nation who truly operate this country. We have a sub-par government. Insufficient. Defective. Non-inclusive. This isn't a game. People's lives are not games nor pawns, nor bargaining tools. No one. Old men should not be making decisions for the younger generation if this is how it is going to continue. What happens if they said no? A lot of people are already targets and getting hurt and losing their lives. Religious conservatives claim pro-life while they dismiss and really do wish to wipe out those who are not. It's what they do. It's what they have consistently done. They defy their own laws, practices, principles, concepts and they do so with blatant disregard for even their own greedy lives and the perversions their heads are filled with. They question us but we aren't allowed to question them? Really? What did they earn to decide for all of us when they can't even come together for the good of all people in this nation and set a proper example for our own people and the leaders and people of other nations. So, tell me…where do all the people of this nation come into their decisions and how long are all of us going to have to wait until they actually do their jobs? What's reasonable anymore? How much time does it take? They don't seem to know. Not everyone has that kind of time. Why? It is for the simplest reason that other people tend to want to decide unilaterally for others who barely get any say. Seems like a one sided argument. That's not how our government used to be….you know…for the people…that means all of the people, not just some. Way to go USA. Way to make America great again…Great at what? Blind discrimination? Intolerance? Abuse? Stagnation and impotence of power? What happened to justice? We have no rights. Only privileges. It seems like the majority does not have the maturity even though they have the authority? Is that what it is? Enough is enough. Do your jobs. People's lives depend on it. If it were anyone else…we'd be fired and on the street. Wake up USA. What happened to liberty and justice for all? Oh wait, I guess that was just a heavy metal album title…silly me.

  11. The future of me and a hundred of my classmates future depends on this case. Everyone has been dead silent knowing theres a chance now for us to be fired for existing as trans or a member of the LGBTQ community. Please keep in mind that this is crushing dreams and hearts of many students working and working to get a job only to be told we might get fired anyways. I hope the right decision is made so me and my classmates have a shot in this messed up world.

  12. Well Neil Gorwhatever needs to listen to RBG and do what she says because trust me bro you don’t want to be on the wrong side of history. Look at your buddy Kavanaugh. He no longer has an obscure life.

  13. Religion is a symptom of delusion implying incompetence for many jobs.
    Religious people should be banned from government, education and healthcare.

  14. HUH?!! This is crazy. For *** sake, this sounds like it goes against basic federal anti-discrimination laws… Why do so many sick people care about who others are attracted to?? These people are the real perverts.

  15. TRAITOR ? Doing yet another favor for Russia's Putin – Abandons American allies all the while playing along with Putin's Russia goals – IMPEACH TRUMP NOW!

  16. The LGBT community is not looking for equal rights, they are looking for special rights. 20 years working my way up from retail to the corporate world, never seen any type of discrimination when it comes to sexual preference, every single person has been treated equally,

  17. Lol poor fakenews CNN and MSNBC. Lie to you everyday. Especially on this one. Do your research fellow citizens. Cheers from Toronto

  18. Christian Conservatives 2016: Don't allow a vote on Obama's nomination. We want a a Justice with deep Christian values.

    Christian Conservatives 2019: Can we impeach Gorsuch for anything? Maybe corruption in Ukraine?

  19. Employees don't have the right to force employers and customers to deny reality and go along with their delusion that they are a woman when they are actually biologically male.

  20. If Congress didn't mean to include discrimination against LGBT people in Title VII, it should have said so. It didn't, and it didn't in the 14th Amendment, though LGB people existed when the amendment was written. (I doubt changing your gender was possible then.) Women existed too, though it did not explicitly include women. If you didn't want it to include women, then you would have to say so. Republicans who were against the Equal Right Amendment for women argued loudly that women were covered under the 14th Amendment, though they are not explicitly mentioned, so a new amendment clarifying equal protection for women was not needed. The Fourteenth Amendment, they argued, covered all Americans. Everyone should be treated equally under the law. Conservatives need to decide whether they do or do not want to take the words of the Constitution at face value. One day they ignore the first clause of the Second Amendment, which is there in black and white, and the next day insist that if something is not there in black and white, it was not a right intended to be included and it too can be ignored. I guess they just want to ignore the parts of the Constitution they don't like. Seems to fit the person they elected president.

  21. Trannyism isn't a legitimate identity that needs protection.

    If anything, these people need to be referred to psychological counseling before attempting to join the workforce

  22. Slavery was abolished over 150 years ago and yet slavery still exists. Racial discrimination is illegal and yet it still exists. The constitution guarantees freedom of religion and yet religious freedom is under threat by a christian white minority. The right to choose is legal under a supreme court ruling and yet minority christian rights groups who deny freedoms guaranteed under the law and the constitution to others want to change the law. The Trump regime needs the vote of the white nationalist evangelical christians and so will need to appease them to remain in power. It is ironic that a core belief in the bible is to love your neighbour and yet these evangelicals show how hypocritical they are in their beliefs.

  23. oh the barbarism of a business owner who won't allow cross dressing at a funeral home while families mourn their deadl!! People used to cross dress on the weekends at drag shows and pretty much everyone was cool with it back in the day, I just think the idea that "Aimee" is actually a woman , really trivializes what it means to be a real woman.

  24. lets say a trans" woman " opens a bakery in an lgbt neighborhood, and one employee gets converted and starts wearing a Maga hat to work and a Jesus saves t shirt. It doesn't violate any 0fficial dress code, but do you think the owner would tolerate it? And should they? I am just saying that a business owner should have some say in who they hire, and if they hire someone who radically changes the original agreement, they should have some discretion. that's all.

  25. Hey Gorsuch may I suggest that you and your bigoted family move out of my progressive state of Colorado and move to Alabama, where you can marry your daughter or your pet pig. All coloradans need to picket his home in Boulder, and ride him out on a rail, as well as his Klan family.

  26. Anyone can love and marry regardless of sexual orientation but they can be fired if the employer doesn’t like their choice?
    The law should extend to protect individuals legal rights this shouldn’t be debatable so why on earth is the court divided?

  27. We need to take a stand against this radical lgbqt takeover. We’re letting a very small mentally ill minority dictate policy for everyone.

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